[LaFuriaBlaugrana]

Looks like sh*t is going down after all. I predicted a coalition would happen, Harper's arrogance has deservedly cost him. It's good for Quebec at least

There's enough people around here that live in Canada that I'd like to hear some thoughts.

[Humphery]

How exactly is it going to work is Harper loses the confidence vote? There won't be a new election so who is going to be prime minister? Or is Harper going to keep is job?... I don`t pay attention to canadian politics. Just not enough drama. American politics is the s*it.

This post has been edited by Humphery: 01 December 2008 - 11:45 PM

[Raed]

What is so funny is that as much as I hear complaints about the liberals, Harper held elections in order to have a majority government, yet Canadians still could not trust him with the seats he wanted.

I am wasn't too happy about what the Liberals were doing and all their f**k ups but at least we knew what was going on, as opposed to not knowing much about what Harper conducts as an arrogant American-cock sucker.

[LaFuriaBlaugrana]

Raed, on Dec 1 2008, 06:41 PM, said:

What is so funny is that as much as I hear complaints about the liberals, Harper held elections in order to have a majority government, yet Canadians still could not trust him with the seats he wanted.

I am wasn't too happy about what the Liberals were doing and all their f**k ups but at least we knew what was going on, as opposed to not knowing much about what Harper conducts as an arrogant American-cock sucker.

I agree with you completely - for all the calls of this being "undemocratic", the conservatives were the ones who acted as though having the largest minority was enough to do as they please.

[Raed]

Thing is, he is right when he says that we cannot conduct our work being a minor government, it makes sense that no decisions can be made without a lot of opposing strings being pulled fiercely.

But how is this better for Quebec? If the coalition happened, the conservatives would probably have Jacques Parizeau as their partner but the coalition consists of men who criticized Harper.

[LaFuriaBlaugrana]

Well, for one not haivng an Albertan in charge is better for Quebec. Also this gives the Bloc enough power to force concessions; I'm no separatist but I think Duceppe is a good politican who knows the difference between promoting Quebec interests and trying to break up Canada. I'm pretty sure event the Quebecois know there are more important things to worry about right now than Sovereignty, I think the Bloc will for the most part go along with a progressive coalition, just using threats to get as much money for Quebec as possible.

Humphery, on Dec 1 2008, 06:40 PM, said:

How exactly is it going to work is Harper loses the confidence vote? There won't be a new election so who is going to be prime minister? Or is Harper going to keep is job?... I don`t pay attention to canadian politics. Just not enough drama. American politics is the s*it.

If Harper loses the vote, it means parliament rejects him as prime minister, forcing the governor general to take action. While she will have the power dissolve parliament and call a general election, it would be disastrous to do so. If she feels the proposed Liberal-NDP coalition government is viable and the best option to preserve stability, she will accept the coalition and Dion will be in power until the Liberals elect their new leader in 5 months. As official coalition partners, the NDP will be given 25% of the cabinet posts. The Bloc's support will be necessary but they will not be officially part of the coalition. Anything could happen after that, especially as Dion will be a caretaker PM, however according to the agreement the NDP have agreed to support a Liberal lead government for 30 months and the Bloc for 18 months.

Harper isn't f*cked yet however, as he can still threaten a general election in hopes that the coalition gets rejected. I might be missing some things, I am legally American after all, but this is actually interesting, basically an internal coup, politics at its finest.

[Guardian]

Long live Mario Lemieux and Wayne Gretzky!

[Irvin_007]

LaFuriaBlaugrana, on Dec 1 2008, 10:37 PM, said:

If Harper loses the vote, it means parliament rejects him as prime minister, forcing the governor general to take action. While she will have the power dissolve parliament and call a general election, it would be disastrous to do so. If she feels the proposed Liberal-NDP coalition government is viable and the best option to preserve stability, she will accept the coalition and Dion will be in power until the Liberals elect their new leader in 5 months. As official coalition partners, the NDP will be given 25% of the cabinet posts. The Bloc's support will be necessary but they will not be officially part of the coalition. Anything could happen after that, especially as Dion will be a caretaker PM, however according to the agreement the NDP have agreed to support a Liberal lead government for 30 months and the Bloc for 18 months.

Harper isn't f*cked yet however, as he can still threaten a general election in hopes that the coalition gets rejected. I might be missing some things, I am legally American after all, but this is actually interesting, basically an internal coup, politics at its finest.

that's correct, and the precedent (Borden in 1925) and other English Parliamentary situations suggests that due to the closeness (in the sense that it just happened six weeks ago) of the previous election, the GG will allow the Libs/NDP coalition to govern. Personally, any respect that I had for Stephen Harper is out the door. He had a chance, after Canadians told him not six weeks ago that we didn't trust him enough to give him a majority even though he was running against Stephan Dion, to reach out and show how stately he could be. He could risen above all of the pettiness and backstabbing and put the country first. Instead, he provoked the Libs by banning public funding to political parties and they (rightly) responded as any party would when threatened with destruction. Not to mention, that entire banning public funding is anti-democratic. Now, the Liberals (who don't deserve this, none of them, not Dion, Iggy, Rae, or LeBlanc) have a chance to fully rebuild via PR instead of rebuilding the party from the ground up (like it should have been done).

As for the Bloc, the Force only knows what the Libs/NDP had to promise them in order get them on board for 18 months, unless this moment is the perfect way to repay the Conservatives from the arts snafu in the election. Personally, I'm no fan of the Bloc. I find their drive to separate from Canada while still maintaining our currency, trade pacts, and subsidies outlandish. Stupid British.

I think Barack should govern Canada for the next 18 months. My goodness, I'd have never thought that the US-political situation would be more enviable as a Canadian.

This post has been edited by Irvin_007: 02 December 2008 - 04:26 PM

[Poor_Sunyol]

You still have to bow the the Queen though.

[Humphery]

[Irvin_007]

Poor_Sunyol, on Dec 2 2008, 11:44 AM, said:

You still have to bow the the Queen though.

her and her Nazi family can kiss my ass.